Re: Last Call for Alcohol
[29 November 1997]

The Scientological mind is capable of amazing OT feats of
justification and delusion


From: armstrong@ntonline.com (gerry armstrong)
Newsgroups: alt.religion.scientology
Subject: Re: Last Call for Alcohol
Date: 29 Nov 1997
Organization: Rapidnet Technologies Internet

On Sat, 29 Nov 1997 12:40:58 GMT, inmiami@bellsouth.net (Jack Craver)
wrote:

>>
>You mean your own fantasy about Scn murdering 150,000,000 people (at a
>minimum) ? Other than your initial wild post, I did not see your your
>name again. You vanished.
>

Here's again what I said:

[Quote]

The Scientological mind is capable of amazing OT feats of
justification and delusion, and is not beyond the extermination of
2.5% of the population. Or 20% or more if told to do so. The same
Scientological mind is capable of amazingly justified feats of cruelty
and perfidy. That's why the organization is dangerous and why its
dangers are recognized by certain governments.

That is also what makes its vanquishing a worthy goal. At a minimum,
150,000,000 lives depend on what you do here and now with Scientology.
(Ref. HCOPL "Keeping the Cult Working.")

[End Quote]

You wrote:

>>I suppose I should no longer be surprised at some of the crazies that
>>post here, and yet this post leaves me shaking my head in disbelief.
>>
>>150 million people will be exterminated if Scn is not destroyed.
>>
>>It takes an extremely ugly mind to draw such a conclusion. A
>>conclusion that does not exist in "Keeping Scientology Working".
>>
>>Even here, on ars, I doubt that you could convince many people that
>>Scientology is planning genocide on a scale unheard of in human history.
>>You have taken the phrase "scare tactic" to new heights. Before you
>>try to save 150 million lives from being exterminated at the hands of
>>Scientologists, you may want to work on yourself a bit.

You have jumped to a number of conclusions, apparently for obfuscatory
reasons.

What K$W states is:

[Quote]

We're not playing some minor game in Scientology. It isn't cute or
something to do for lack of something better.

The whole agonized future of this planet, every Man, Woman and Child
on it, and your own destiny for the next endless trillions of years
depend on what you do here and now with and in Scientology.

This is a deadly serious activity. And if we miss getting out of the
trap now, we may never again have another chance.

Remember, this is our first chance to do so in all the endless
trillions of years of the past. Don't muff it now because it seems
unpleasant or unsocial to do Seven, Eight, Nine and Ten.

Do them and we'll win.

L. Ron Hubbard
Founder

[End Quote]

Remember, this policy is right in the front of almost every course
pack, and is drilled into Scientologists to be the gospel.

What is Seven?

[Quote]

Hammering out of existence incorrect technology.

[End Quote]

What is "incorrect technology"?

In the Hubbardian mind, certainly psychiatry, psychoanalysis,
psychology and all of its schools, branches or therapies (except
Scientology).

But add in yoga, meditation, Christianity, religion, "wog justice,"
and even democracy.

[Quote]

I don't see that popular measures, self-abnegation and democracy have
done anything for Man but push him further into the mud.

[End Quote]

What does Hubbard think this "mud" is?

[Quote]

The bank-agreement has been what has made Earth a Hell -- and if you
were looking for Hell and found Earth, it would certainly serve. War,
famine, agony and disease has been the lot of Man. Right now the great
governments of Earth have developed the means of frying every Man,
Woman and Child on the planet.

[End Quote]

Is Hubbard using "scare tactics?"

Yes.

What does Hubbard expect of Scientologists?

[Quote]

If they enrolled, they're aboard; and if they're aboard, they're here
on the same terms as the rest of us -- win or die in the attempt.
...
The proper instruction attitude is "You're here so you're a
Scientologist. Now we're going to make you into an expert auditor no
matter what happens. We'd rather have you dead than incapable."

[End Quote]

Hubbard states that the 6 billion lives now on earth and the lives on
it for the next endless trillions of years depend on what is done here
and now with and in Scientology. Let's say, to be fair, that "endless"
would mean a trillion, that life expectancy averages, again to be
fair, a hundred years, and that there is zero population growth during
that trillion trillion years, which I think you will agree is also
being very fair. So Hubbard is talking here about 60,000,000,000,000,
000,000,000,000,000,000 lives. (Now I admit that he was the
mathematician and I am not even a bean counter.)

So you can see that the 150,000,000 SPs which stand in the way of the
goals of processing all those people into Scientologists (or saving
them from war, famine and frying) is really but a drop, one might say,
in the Hubbardian bucket, and could rather easily be disposed of
quietly and without sorrow. You can also see that a sense of humor
might help to see you through the whole agonized future of this
planet, as well as the dangers of democracy, to say nothing of the
dawning of the understanding brought to you by ars's kind posters that
Hubbard was lying.

And why was he lying?

To control people.

What did he want the people he controlled to do?

Lie for him and attack anyone who stood in his way.

And who stands in his way?

According to him, and according to the person who took over his cult,
a rather exact 2 1/2 percent of the population, or 150,000,000, among
whom I cannot help but count myself.

Your argument continues to be that because Scientology's leaders have
not been able to kill all these people ("show me the bodies") they
must not have any intention of disposing of people who they consider
oppose them if they were in a position to get away with such disposal.
You further argue that disposing of all those bodies would be
logistically impossible; so again Scientology's leaders must not mean
anyone any harm, and presumably if they ever came to power would be
benign and democratic leaders with everyone's best interests foremost
in their minds.

I know other ars stalwarts have already rebutted these arguments.

Why not journey back to the 1920's and 30's as the Scientology PR
merchants often ask the world to do. Hitler probably did not write out
in Mein Kampf his plan for the systematic murder and disposal of
6,000,000 Jewish "undesirables." Yet reading what he wrote could lead
a thinking person to think that such an event might happen.

Before they came to power the Nazis did not undertake to murder
6,000,000 Jewish people, in fact may have murdered none. Yet they did
come to power and did murder those people.

The idea that something cannot be accurately or even reasonably
predicted, and thus averted, because it hasn't happened is unworthy,
tawdry, irresponsible reasoning. And it is this unreasoning, which is
indicative of dishonesty, which has brought so many people to
challenge you.

If Scientology's leaders and defenders were responsible they would
do their best to honestly assure us -- the people they have included
in the 150,000,000, the 2/12% undesirables -- that the organization
has no antisocial, undemocratic, dangerous goals. Scientology's
leaders and defenders have not done that. Their statements and actions
lead any thinking person to the conclusion that the scariest goals
imaginable are in their minds.

Scientology's leaders, using Hubbard's scare tactic writings, their
own writings, and their own scare tactics, whip their dominated
followers into a chronic state of fear, and hatred toward the
undesirables -- the SPs -- exactly as Hitler whipped up fear and
hatred 60 years ago against that period's SP's, the Jews.

What these leaders are doing is cruel and dangerous. If you were
responsible you would call for an end to the cruelty and danger, not
defend it with unreason.



>>It would be very exciting for you, or any Scientologist really, to
>>actually look at what you're involved in and have the great courage to
>>question your organization's statements as to their truth and question
>>its standards and practices.
>>
>
>Too fuckin bad.
>
>Next time you make wild claims, try stickin around a while in case
>anyone asks for proof.

It is Scientology which has made the wild claims. Perhaps you could
urge its leaders to try stickin around a while because there are at
least 2 1/2 percent of us who are asking for proof.


Gerry


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